CG tournaments with games missing Round numbers.

[Update – see <crawfb5>‘s comments below]

My understanding is that all tournaments that get promoted on <CG> should have all the games with the correct Round numbers inside the PGN, if possible. Of course the occasional mistake will be made, but I was quite surprised to find an entire well-known tournament which Fischer won, <Buenos Aires (1970)> was completely (no, only 50%) lacking games with round numbers.

So, intrepid adventurer that I am, I decided to look at the status of all of the <CG> tournaments in a snapshot I have from several months ago. My collection of tournaments has 2665 tournaments (defined by Event/Site/EventDate). Of those 941 have an EventDate = “?”, and one has an EventDate = “0000.07.23” (Event/Site = “Trenton Falls / Trenton Falls New York USA”). All of those tournaments need to be normalized.

But the main focus is to find the tournaments which are lacking round numbers. Here’s the breakdown of the 91 tournaments with at least one game missing a round number:

1867.06.04   Paris                                             /  Paris, France               136
1868.08.02   Aachen, 7th congress WDS                          /  Aachen GER                   10
1871.12.??   2nd American Chess Congress                       /  Cleveland                    67
1874.07.07   3rd American Chess Congress                       /  Chicago USA                  36
1877.??.??   Leipzig                                           /  Leipzig GER                   1
1883.??.??   London (Vizayanagaram)                            /  London ENG                   59
1893.??.??   Wallace - Crane                                   /  Sydney AUS                   13
1900.07.23   Munich                                            /  Munich GER                    5
1900.??.??   Paris                                             /  Paris FRA                     2
1907.??.??   Karlsbad                                          /  Karlsbad CZE                  1
1908.03.23   Vienna                                            /  Vienna AUT                    1
1929.??.??   USSR Championship                                 /  Odessa (RUS)                 16
1936.04.??   Margate                                           /  Margate ENG                   1
1955.??.??   USSR Championship                                 /  Moscow (RUS)                  1
1956.??.??   USSR Championship                                 /  Leningrad (RUS)               8
1958.??.??   USSR Championship                                 /  Riga (RUS)                  122
1962.??.??   U.S. Championship                                 /  New York, New York USA        1
1963.??.??   USSR Championship                                 /  Leningrad (RUS)               2
1967.??.??   USSR Championship                                 /  Kharkov (RUS)               185
1968.??.??   USSR Championship 1968/69                         /  Alma Ata (RUS)              176
1969.??.??   USSR Championship                                 /  Moscow (RUS)                  5
1970.??.??   Lugano                                            /  Lugano SWI                   13
1970.??.??   Buenos Aires                                      /  Buenos Aires ARG             71
1972.03.12   Lone Pine                                         /  Lone Pine, CA USA             1
1973.07.23   Petropolis Interzonal                             /  Petropolis BRA                2
1974.??.??   US Championship                                   /  Chicago, IL USA               1
1975.??.??   British Championship                              /  Morecambe ENG                 1
1976.??.??   Lone Pine                                         /  Lone Pine, CA USA             1
1980.01.05   Hastings (1980/81)                                /  Hastings ENG                  3
1980.03.16   Lone Pine                                         /  Lone Pine, CA USA             2
1981.??.??   Lone Pine                                         /  Lone Pine, CA USA             2
1988.??.??   Brussels World Cup                                /  Brussels BEL                 88
1995.??.??   Amsterdam                                         /  Amsterdam, NL                41
1995.??.??   Amantea                                           /  ?                             1
2007.08.04   Hogeschool Zeeland Tournament                     /  Vlissingen                    5
2007.08.09   Scandinavian Chess Tournament                     /  ?                             1
2007.??.??   Bratto Festival                                   /  Bratto                        4
2007.??.??   Armenian Championsip                              /  Armenian Championsip         26
2007.??.??   Armenian Championsip                              /  ?                             3
2008.03.24   Foxwoods Open                                     /  ?                             1
2008.09.28   Commonwealth Championship                         /  Nagpur India                203
2012.04.09   Russian Team Championships                        /  Sochi RUS                    18
2012.08.28   Chess Olympiad (Women)                            /  Istanbul TUR                  1
2012.10.27   Chigorin Memorial                                 /  St Petersburg RUS           808
2012.??.??   Edmonton Internationl                             /  Edmonton - Canada             1
2013.??.??   8th Edmonton International                        /  Edmonton - Canada             1
2014.04.19   Gashimov Memorial                                 /  Shamkir AZE                   1
         ?   Belzberg Simul                                    /  London ENG                    5
         ?   Lone Pine (USA)                                   /  Lone Pine (USA)               2
         ?   50th World Champion Jubilee Tournament            /  ?                             1
         ?   Corsica Masters                                   /  Bastia                        5
         ?   Leningrad                                         /  Leningrad                     1
         ?   09, Amsterdam Wch-m FIDE                          /  09, Amsterdam Wch-m FIDE      1
         ?   ?                                                 /  ?                            22
         ?   Buenos Aires                                      /  Buenos Aires ARG              1
         ?   Biel Chess Festival                               /  Biel SUI                      4
         ?   Canadian Open                                     /  Ottawa                        1
         ?   Armenian Championsip                              /  Armenian Championsip          7
         ?   USA-04.Kongress                                   /  Philadelphia USA              1
         ?   FIDE Candidate Matches                            /  Elista, Russia                8
         ?   6, Amsterdam Wch m                                /  6, Amsterdam Wch m            1
         ?   Bugojno                                           /  Bugojno                       1
         ?   12, Amsterdam Wch-m FIDE                          /  12, Amsterdam Wch-m FIDE      1
         ?   USSR ch                                           /  USSR ch                       1
         ?   Hastings                                          /  Hastings                      1
         ?   Chessgames Humans vs. Machines                    /  Yahoo.com                     1
         ?   Brussels WCup ,CBM 07                             /  Brussels WCup ,CBM 07         1
         ?   12                                                /  Rio de Janeiro izt            1
         ?   11, Amsterdam Wch-m FIDE                          /  11, Amsterdam Wch-m FIDE      1
         ?   8, Rio de Janeiro izt                             /  8, Rio de Janeiro izt         1
         ?   PCA                                               /  PCA                           2
         ?   Nordic Congress                                   /  Christiania                   1
         ?   Cap D'Agde                                        /  France                        1
         ?   Golden Sands 2012                                 /  Golden Sands, BUL             1
         ?   It (open)                                         /  Lone Pine (USA)               1
         ?   Scandinavian Chess Tournament                     /  ?                             3
         ?   Tradewise Gibraltar                               /  Caleta, ENG                   1
         ?   50th World CHampions Jubilee Tournament           /  ?                             1
         ?   FIDE candidates Matches                           /  Elista, Kalmykia Russia      38
         ?   Dresden                                           /  It                            1
         ?   50th World Champions Jubilee Tournament           /  ?                            34
         ?   London Chess Classic                              /  London, ENG                   1
         ?   WORLD OPEN 2007                                   /  ?                             1
         ?   Tradewise Gibraltar                               /  ?                             1

The listing is fairly straight-forward, it’s the EventDate / Event / Site for all tournaments which have at least one game with a missing round number. The last column gives the exact total of games w missing round number for each tournament.

Of these 91 such tournaments there are many that actually do have dates associated with many of the games. These should be relatively simple to wipe into shape (i.e. to be fully normalized).

I’m not sure if <CG> was even aware of this problem, or if there is the impetus to correct it. I would hope there is, essentially given the inordinate amount of effort required to meet the current threshold for promoting new tournaments. Having these unnormalized tournaments is a glaring impedance mis-match, one might say.


 

Update: Several useful comments have come from <crawfb5>, which caused me to move several entries from the above list to here:

1950.??.??   1st World Correspondence Chess Championship       /  ?                            92
1950.??.??   1st World Correspondence Chess Championship       /  corr Wch1                     1

1956.??.??   2nd World Correspondence Chess Championship       /  Correspondence              105

1959.??.??   3rd World  Correspondence  Chess  Championship    /  Correspondence               44

1968.??.??   6th Correspondence World Championship Final       /  corr ICCF                   117
1968.??.??   6th Correspondence World Championship Final       /  corr-6                        1
1968.??.??   6th Correspondence World Championship Final       /  ?                             2

Note, however, that even if the round numbers are used for correspondence tournaments, the above still shows two of the tournaments are unnormalized. All the the games should have the same Event / Site headers. It would also be nice to have the month of the EventDate specified, if not the day as well. After all, amorphous though these tournaments may be, there is still a bracket date (i.e. a start date of the 1st game, the finish date of the last game).

Here’s the discussion (edited out of the bistro comment stream on <CG>):

May-12-15
Premium Chessgames Member
crawfb5: <z> The correspondence tournaments don’t have round numbers; all games are played concurrently.Will look to see if I have anything on the others.
May-12-15 zanzibar: <crawfb5> Yes, fair enough.I just couldn’t help but rush out the initial results, sweeping up innocent and guilty alike.I’ll try to weed out some other of the innocent, knowing there’s plenty of the other [sic- guilt] to go around.

Now, it’s quite clear that correspondence chess is a category of its own, as <crawfb5> points out, and shouldn’t be painted as having missing round numbers.

There are these further comments, which I’ll include here – but either haven’t check out or perhaps disagree with. For example, a playoff, if having just a single game, could still be considered as R1. Of course a playoff should have a special designation which both identifies it as belonging to a given tournament, yet somehow differentiating it from a normal tournament game. Both <Chessbase> and <365chess> do this by appending a “+” to the tournament Event name to mark it as a playoff. I fully believe this is the best system, and have argued such on <CG>.

May-13-15
Premium Chessgames Member
crawfb5: The only game I see in Leipzig (1877) is Zukertort vs Anderssen, 1877, which is identified in the original game collection as a playoff game for second place, so this shouldn’t be a “missing round number” tournament either.
May-13-15
Premium Chessgames Member
crawfb5: <z> I think you can file both the 2nd and 3rd American Chess Congresses and Paris 1867 under “innocent” along with the correspondence events. Players arranged their own schedules, so there are no formal round numbers.

zz

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